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snarkymanTonight, I started looking through my "Drafts" email folder and look at old, unsent messages. I found a few written before I had a Live Journal account. I decided to post them here.
First up, from my biological Father:
Brucie’s soap box: On Nickelodeon’s promoting homosexuality to our kids
I've also included my response to my unsent response to my dad.
I received the original email on 7 June 2002 and composed the response a few days later.
> Nickelodeon, under the guise of an informational show
> hosted by Rosie O'Donnell and produced by Linda
> Ellerbee (Both lesbian activists), will start
> promoting homosexuality as a normal lifestyle this
> coming week. The target audience is 8 to 13 year olds.
Did you even watch the program? It was a discussion about alternative family structures and encouraging tolerance of people who are different from you. While growing up, I had a family structure different from anyone else I knew AND IT WASN'T EASY. So forgive me if I have some sympathy for people in a similar situations.
Along the same line, I could say, "I have two Fathers... and no living mother."
> My Take:
>
> I believe that through a quirk of nature that some
> people are born homosexual. To those born homosexual,
> their feelings are normal for them. They should be
> treated like everyone else, with fairness and respect.
> But to say homosexuality in nature is normal is to say
> that being born with two heads is normal.
Quirk of Nature? We're talking about a range of 10 - 25 % of the world's population.
So you're saying treat them with fairness and respect, but don't talk about it, EVER. Shield me from opinions and ideas that are different from my own and God Forbid we should introduce challenging ideas to our Children!
Did you even notice that this show was run at 9:00 PM in each time zone? Aren't most children that you would want to shield from such offending content already in bed?
What about the parent's responsibility to know what they're children are watching?
> Over the years, I have had several gay friends. Most
> don’t make an effort to single themselves out. They go
> on about their daily lives without having to make an
> issue of sexual orientation. I don’t make an issue of
> mine either. We have few problems with one another
> because we respect each other’s right to hold opposing
> views.
So it's OK that they're gay, as long as they stay in the closet?
> However, in our ever dumbing down society, we are
> letting the minority take charge. In turn, we are
> giving up our freedoms and rights to those who exhibit
> little concern or respect for the morals, traditions
> and values that made America, America.
I agree that we are dumbing down society. I see most of it coming form the religious right and conservatives who are trying to legislate morality.
> Today’s popular culture, driven by Hollywood,
> television and music, is seeing to our down fall. With
> them, right is wrong and wrong is right. Right is only
> right if it doesn’t interfere with what they want to
> do.
> It’s no wonder that there is a growing number of
> people who choose the gay and lesbian lifestyle. In a
> sense, they cash in on the “Homosexual” pretext.
See my 10 to 25% of the population comment above. If they are homosexual to begin with, shouldn't we encourage people to be who they are and not to hate themselves for they're not?
> Whether “Born that way” or by choice, the gay and
> lesbian community has adopted an “In your face”
> attitude. They complain about discrimination, the lack
> of understanding and diversity, yada, yada, yada.
> While at the same time they flaunt a lifestyle in a
> manner that shows little or no real respect for
> anyone. (See gay links)
Most people, gay or straight, DO NOT flaunt who they are. They just exist. It's not their fault that homophobic people find them offensive. It's your problem, not their's.
> it is hard to acquiesce to people, extorting special
> rights, privileges and acceptance, who are not willing
> to afford us the same or even allow for a different
> point of view.
Rights like "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...."?
> Nevertheless, we are still turning the other way,
> rather than standing up for our beliefs or even common
> decency. Meanwhile, the gay and lesbian community is
> subtly chiding our children, “Don’t
> discriminate”...“Anyway, how do you know you are not
> gay?”...“Try it out”.
I know dozens of gay, lesbian and bisexual people. I have yet to meet anyone who said, "Try it out".
> I don’t discriminate unless they throw it in my face.
> But, the gay community will characterize my views as
> another case of homophobia. They know they don’t have
> the moral prerogative. Name calling and intimidation
> is their forte.
When the dominant paradigm makes the rules about what behavior is acceptable to the exclusion of almost anyone different, it is intimidation.
> Please stand up and be counted. Let these people know
> you care. Go to this site to see and/or sign a petition
> asking the president of Nickelodeon not to air this program:
>http://www.conservativepetitions.com/petition.html?name=stop_nickelodeon
>
> That is all,
>
> BOL (Bruce on the loose)
Thank god online petitions have almost no effect because they are easily forged. Shall I write a Perl script that will give you a million signatures?
> MEDIA LINKS:
> Conservatives Claim Nickelodeon Promoting Homosexual
> Agenda
> http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200206\CUL20020604b.html
> Scouts Dishonor
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23337
>
> GAY LINKS:
> http://www.graffitiint.com/index2.htm (NYC Gay Parade Pics)
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/newsid_805000/805772.stm
> http://www.mardigras.com.au/Gallery/Sleaze2001/index.htm
> http://www.utopia-tours.com/bgf00.htm
> http://www.lesbian.org/moms/ (Lesbians that want
> children through non-traditional means)
>
> The Big Question Extremists Hate:
> “Why is it that I have to allow you to have your point
> of view but you won’t allow me to have mine?”
You do have your point of view; it's even the dominant one. Now you're trying to censor someone else who has an alternate view. Don't attempt self-flattery by painting yourself as a moderate.
First up, from my biological Father:
Brucie’s soap box: On Nickelodeon’s promoting homosexuality to our kids
I've also included my response to my unsent response to my dad.
I received the original email on 7 June 2002 and composed the response a few days later.
> Nickelodeon, under the guise of an informational show
> hosted by Rosie O'Donnell and produced by Linda
> Ellerbee (Both lesbian activists), will start
> promoting homosexuality as a normal lifestyle this
> coming week. The target audience is 8 to 13 year olds.
Did you even watch the program? It was a discussion about alternative family structures and encouraging tolerance of people who are different from you. While growing up, I had a family structure different from anyone else I knew AND IT WASN'T EASY. So forgive me if I have some sympathy for people in a similar situations.
Along the same line, I could say, "I have two Fathers... and no living mother."
> My Take:
>
> I believe that through a quirk of nature that some
> people are born homosexual. To those born homosexual,
> their feelings are normal for them. They should be
> treated like everyone else, with fairness and respect.
> But to say homosexuality in nature is normal is to say
> that being born with two heads is normal.
Quirk of Nature? We're talking about a range of 10 - 25 % of the world's population.
So you're saying treat them with fairness and respect, but don't talk about it, EVER. Shield me from opinions and ideas that are different from my own and God Forbid we should introduce challenging ideas to our Children!
Did you even notice that this show was run at 9:00 PM in each time zone? Aren't most children that you would want to shield from such offending content already in bed?
What about the parent's responsibility to know what they're children are watching?
> Over the years, I have had several gay friends. Most
> don’t make an effort to single themselves out. They go
> on about their daily lives without having to make an
> issue of sexual orientation. I don’t make an issue of
> mine either. We have few problems with one another
> because we respect each other’s right to hold opposing
> views.
So it's OK that they're gay, as long as they stay in the closet?
> However, in our ever dumbing down society, we are
> letting the minority take charge. In turn, we are
> giving up our freedoms and rights to those who exhibit
> little concern or respect for the morals, traditions
> and values that made America, America.
I agree that we are dumbing down society. I see most of it coming form the religious right and conservatives who are trying to legislate morality.
> Today’s popular culture, driven by Hollywood,
> television and music, is seeing to our down fall. With
> them, right is wrong and wrong is right. Right is only
> right if it doesn’t interfere with what they want to
> do.
> It’s no wonder that there is a growing number of
> people who choose the gay and lesbian lifestyle. In a
> sense, they cash in on the “Homosexual” pretext.
See my 10 to 25% of the population comment above. If they are homosexual to begin with, shouldn't we encourage people to be who they are and not to hate themselves for they're not?
> Whether “Born that way” or by choice, the gay and
> lesbian community has adopted an “In your face”
> attitude. They complain about discrimination, the lack
> of understanding and diversity, yada, yada, yada.
> While at the same time they flaunt a lifestyle in a
> manner that shows little or no real respect for
> anyone. (See gay links)
Most people, gay or straight, DO NOT flaunt who they are. They just exist. It's not their fault that homophobic people find them offensive. It's your problem, not their's.
> it is hard to acquiesce to people, extorting special
> rights, privileges and acceptance, who are not willing
> to afford us the same or even allow for a different
> point of view.
Rights like "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness...."?
> Nevertheless, we are still turning the other way,
> rather than standing up for our beliefs or even common
> decency. Meanwhile, the gay and lesbian community is
> subtly chiding our children, “Don’t
> discriminate”...“Anyway, how do you know you are not
> gay?”...“Try it out”.
I know dozens of gay, lesbian and bisexual people. I have yet to meet anyone who said, "Try it out".
> I don’t discriminate unless they throw it in my face.
> But, the gay community will characterize my views as
> another case of homophobia. They know they don’t have
> the moral prerogative. Name calling and intimidation
> is their forte.
When the dominant paradigm makes the rules about what behavior is acceptable to the exclusion of almost anyone different, it is intimidation.
> Please stand up and be counted. Let these people know
> you care. Go to this site to see and/or sign a petition
> asking the president of Nickelodeon not to air this program:
>http://www.conservativepetitions.com/petition.html?name=stop_nickelodeon
>
> That is all,
>
> BOL (Bruce on the loose)
Thank god online petitions have almost no effect because they are easily forged. Shall I write a Perl script that will give you a million signatures?
> MEDIA LINKS:
> Conservatives Claim Nickelodeon Promoting Homosexual
> Agenda
> http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200206\CUL20020604b.html
> Scouts Dishonor
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23337
>
> GAY LINKS:
> http://www.graffitiint.com/index2.htm (NYC Gay Parade Pics)
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/newsid_805000/805772.stm
> http://www.mardigras.com.au/Gallery/Sleaze2001/index.htm
> http://www.utopia-tours.com/bgf00.htm
> http://www.lesbian.org/moms/ (Lesbians that want
> children through non-traditional means)
>
> The Big Question Extremists Hate:
> “Why is it that I have to allow you to have your point
> of view but you won’t allow me to have mine?”
You do have your point of view; it's even the dominant one. Now you're trying to censor someone else who has an alternate view. Don't attempt self-flattery by painting yourself as a moderate.
